Creo que con el Nanocom puedes sincronizar los mandos, siempre y cuando la Becm no esté bloqueada, para lo cual tendrías que pasar por el conce.
http://www.nanocom-diagnostics.com/downloads
Te puedes descargar el pdf de lo que hace y lo que no con cada centralita del coche, pero eso sí, está en inglés.
Prueba a contactar también con el compañero Garmen, que trastea electrónica y en estos momentos está metido en un proyecto muy interesante que aunque para td5, igual te puede ayudar.
Saludos!

Julius Bcn

No creo que este bloqueada porque antes de anoche me fallo los mandos y al final pude arrancar el coche. Se comporta igual que siempre pero como he quitado las pilas de los mandos, habrán perdido sincronia y después de poner las pilas como no funcionan los pulsadores no deshinibe el motor. menudo fregado. Al final no voy a poder esperar a la compra conjunta y me lo tendré que comprar el Nanocom de urgencia. Creo que tu sabias algo de ello, con el Nanocom puedo quitar el inhibidor respetando la alarma verdad?.

Gracias.

Practicamente todas las Becm vienen bloqueadas ya de origen, solo están desbloqueadas cuando se ha colocado una Becm nueva y no han dado a la opción de locked.

Salvo el Testbook original y Rovacom ( en modo boot mode ), ninguna diagnosis es capaz de poner la Becm en modo Unlocked para programar mandos, ver el código EKA y ver los actuales códigos de llaves.

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Ya me pierdo, joder que lio. Entonces quieres decir que tendré que llevarlo al conce?. La llave abre y cierra bien el coche y quita y pone la alarma manual desde cerradura, pero al intentar arrancar me pide pulsar telemando por que el motor esta inhibido. Al tener los mandos jodidos, de pulsadores o no se de que no me deja arrancar.
Muchas gracias por vuestra ayuda.

Había un modo de sincronizar el mando, a parte del de introducir el código EKA, que deberías tener con la documentación del coche y que se introduce mediante giros de la llave en la puerta del conductor.

Mírate este post: https://www.clublandrovertt.org/index.php?topic=80312.0

Saludos!

Julius Bcn

En principio por lo que he podido averiguar son los mandos los que están rotos, no emiten frecuencia al pulsar. Los he llevado a una empresa de reparación y clonación de llaves y mandos a ver si tienen solución. También he llamado al conde a pedir precio de una llave nueva, 190 euros + Iva me has dicho. No se si será su precio o varia según el conce pero es el que me han dado. En cuanto tenga mas noticias, os voy contando.Sobre  si el Nanocom puede desactivar el inhibidor de motor no se si alguno lo sabréis, de ser así me podríais contar un poco, os lo agradecería mucho. Gracias por vuestra ayuda. Un saludo.

El precio que te han dado a ti es el mismo que me dieron a mi en su día por las llaves. Un entendido en electrónica pudo hacer una de las dos que le llevé, y en cuanto pude, anulé el inmovilizador al no saber de la existencia y capacidades del Nanocom, lo cual en mi caso fue un error pues podría haberla aprovechado y ya tendría medio Nanocom pagado.
Si tienes fritas las dos llaves, el Nanocom no te servirá de nada, a no ser que sea capaz de sincronizar una de segunda mano a la que cambies la espada por la tuya. Mírate el buscador del foro y en Rangerovers.net, está en inglés pero yo en su momento saqué bastante información de allí.

En ebay tienes soluciones como ésta, llave, bombín y centralitas :

https://www.ebay.es/itm/262752759137

Julius Bcn

ACCESO OBD

SM022 - BECM (P38 NRR) - Diagnostic Capabilities (Clear Fault Codes)
Although this function is entitled clear fault codes, it actually gives you four choices for special functions of the BECM. These functions allow clearing the outstation memory and RF memory.
Clear RF memory: To be used in conjunction with the READ RF MEMORY function. This resets the memory, which stays reset until a valid fob code has been received by the BECM. These then stay set until reset with this function.
Clear outstation memory: To be used in conjunction with the READ OUTSTATION MEMORY function. This function should be performed with the ignition off. After turning the ignition on for 5 seconds, turn it off and use read outstation memory function to read the memory. It will show you, which outstation has not reported in. Please note that where electric memory seats are not fitted there will be a report of no communication from that outstation, note the term memory as opposed to non memory which does not have an outstation.This resets the memory to enable new faults to be logged. It is best done with the ignition turned off.

SM022 - BECM (P38 NRR) - Diagnostic Capabilities (Settings)
Values, configuration settings, and other stored information which can be read from the ECU, edited and then rewritten back. Read settings can also be stored as a standard HTML page for reference. These pages can then later be re loaded and re written back to the ECU. Please note that some values may be read only due to the fact that they are supplied from the ECU’s ROM or are internally calculated.
GENERAL SETTINGS
Alarm: The alarm can be either enabled or disabled if required. Disabling the alarm prevents the alarm from arming and stops all audible and visual activity whenever the vehicle is locked or unlocked. It does not affect the immobilization.
Alarm lights: This changes the method of visual output from the BECM used for the alarm activated / triggered.
Alarm noise: Different markets have different options of alarm sounding when the alarm is activated / triggered.
Arm/disarm: Changes the method of visual notification of alarm arming and disarming.
BECM Status: The BECM has an electronic lock that is designed to prevent access to some of its contents. All BECM's are locked in this way at the vehicle factory after they are programmed with the information specific to the vehicle they have been fitted in. However, replacement BECM's are supplied unlocked and all data can be readily accessed and changed up until the point when the unit is locked. This is currently an irreversible process without special module SM035 so it is important to check the correctness of all information stored in the BECM before considering locking it. The status of the lock has no effect on any other operation of the BECM (i.e. it is perfectly acceptable to leave the status of the BECM unlocked for normal vehicle usage). Attention, if the BeCM is unlocked there might be problems in communicating with HEVAC in diagnostic mode. More details in the HEVAC help page.
Cat amplifier / heater: For markets where catalyst amplifiers and heaters are used, mainly Japan.
Cruise: This indicates if cruise control is fitted or not.
Daylight running: Either headlamps or sidelights can be selected as the daytime running lights or the function can be disabled.
Drive: Denotes left hand drive (LHD) or right hand drive (RHD).
EKA: For the markets that do not use the Emergency Key Access (EKA) system.
EKA number: This is the Emergency Key Access (EKA) Number for this vehicle. Only available on unlocked BECM's (see BECM STATUS). Even if the EKA function is disabled (see PASSIVE EKA) and therefore not used, each BECM still has a number programmed into it. The number has to be 4 characters long, each character can be a number between 1 and 6, and the four numbers cannot be all the same.
Immobilisation Code: The immobilization code is stored in both the engine management and BECM ECU's. If a valid code is received from the engine ECU compared to the one in the BECM when the key is turned, the engine will start. If the Engine ecu, the BECM or the LOCKSET in the vehicle are replaced then the 2 codes will not match and the engine will not start. It will then become neccessary to synchronise the two codes between BECM and engine ecu. For the EDC and Motronic systems you need to open the engine ecu settings page and make a note of the code displayed (EDC - EMS CODE) (MOTRONIC - IMMOBILISATION CODE). Then open the BECM settings page and place this number in the IMMOBILISATION CODE box and click Write settings. For GEMS ecu any number between 0 and 65535 can be input into the IMMOBILISATION CODE box in the BECM, Click on Write settings and then go to GEMS - OTHER and SECURITY LEARN MODE to force the code from the BECM to the GEMS ecu. A valid number for GEMS is between 0 and 65535.
Engine: Select between the later Motronic Petrol engine management which is fitted after 1999 and can be distinguished by the overlapping sausage effect of the intake plenum on the top of the engine. GEMS petrol engine management fitted before 1999 which can be distinguished by the flat topped intake plenum with the engine capacity shown on the top of the engine or the Diesel EDC engine management.
FOB code: For security this information is only available to be read or programmed on unlocked BECM's (see BECM STATUS). The fob code is a 3-part code, which uniquely identifies the family of key fobs (key 1, key 2, etc.) that go with this vehicle. Any key Fob, when pressed, transmits its unique electronic ID code (FOB CODE) in an encrypted format. The BECM of any vehicle within range of that key fob decrypts the received transmission and compares the FOB CODE that was received, against the FOB CODE that is stored here. If the two match, it will accept the key as valid and perform the relevant task (lock, unlock, send mobilize signal to engine ECU, etc). This FOB CODE is derived from converting the manufacturer's Lockset Bar code. This is a 14 digit alphanumeric number, which is printed on a label that accompanies every new key fob or lockset. When the vehicle was assembled at the factory and was first fitted with its new lock set, the Lockset Bar code was recorded along with the vehicles VIN number; this can be obtained from your local dealership by quoting the Vehicle's VIN number. If the Lockset Bar code given by the dealer is no longer correct for the vehicle (due to an earlier replacement of the lockset and where the kept records were not updated), there is then no alternative but to replace the lockset and use the Lockset bar code that comes with it. When you have the Lockset Bar code, do not attempt to enter this directly, but give this to the help desk who will then convert the Lockset Bar code into a the 3-part FOB CODE. This FOB CODE is then entered here. The FOB CODE can only be obtained by this method.
Fog lights: This denotes whether front fog lights are fitted to the vehicle or not.
Gearbox: This denotes whether the gearbox is manual or automatic.
Immobiliser: Turns on the passive (self) immobilize function in markets which use it.
Key warning: When enabled, the warning gong will sound continuously whilst the keys are in the ignition and the ignition is turned off.
Lazy locking: Changes the situations in which lazy locking is allowed.
Language: This defines the language used by the vehicle to signal messages in its information display. The last option refers to a translation book allowing any other language to be added in look up form.
Market: This is the flag that the BECM uses to see if it is used / configured. When a BECM is brand new it is not set and the display on the instrument pack will only show the message "Market not set". To stop this happening this value must be changed to set.
Mislock: Changes the method of notification of error on alarm arming between using the interior light or the alarm sounder.
Moisture detect: This enables the moisture detected warning facility.
Range lamp: This is used to enable or disable the hi or low range selector back lamp function.
Service light: In certain markets, legislation requires there to be a reminder light to service the engine after a certain distance has been travelled. Adding this feature also requires the bulb to be fitted to the service reminder position in the instrument pack. This will then illuminate (other than in bulb test) when the vehicle travels over 50,000 miles or 80,500 km from whenever the function was enabled.
Sounder: Different markets have different options of alarm sounders fitted that require different outputs from the BECM to operate. This allows correct selection.
Speed limit: This function changes the maximum limit between 100 or 120 at which the over speed warning function built in to the trip computer may be set.
Sunroof This denotes whether an electric sunroof is fitted to the vehicle or not.
UK police: This selection allows the BECM to be configured to police specification. Setting this without the required rewiring of the vehicle and the addition of switches, may have undesirable effects.
Trip computer: This denotes whether a trip computer is installed in the vehicle or not.
VIN: The last six digits of the Vehicle Identification Number (VIN) that is unique to each vehicle. The designation for the remainder of the VIN is detailed in the relevant manual. An invalid format VIN number will not be accepted. The VIN cannot be changed on a Locked BeCM
Microprocessor firmware: The firmware of the microprocessor fitted in BECM. This number can be read as well on the label.
Software level: The software level of the BECM. This number can be read as well on the label.
Window cancel: Some markets allow operation of the windows and sunroof for a period of time after the ignition is turned off and the door is opened; some have immediate cancellation of operation when the ignition is turned off and others have no cancellation at all. This allows the desired selection.
Wiper speed: These settings enables the windscreen wiper speed functions.
1 touch: This specifies which windows have one touch functionality.
Date of build: The date the BECM was built in DD MM YYYY format. ECU accepts only valid values: day between 1 and 31, month between 1 and 12, year between 1991 and 2010.
Mileage: The value shown on the odometer display (sometimes Kilometres). This value can not be altered
DISARM
Disarm BeCM: This only applies to a BeCM with a PAM version of V36 or later. This is printed on the label on the BeCM above the fuses. For a vehicle with EKA enabled, is requred to type in the EKA code. The function will disarm the BECM.

MODO BOOT MODE

SM035 - BECM DIRECT MEMORY - Diagnostic Capabilities (Settings)
GENERAL SETTINGS
Alarm: The alarm can be either enabled or disabled if required. Disabling the alarm prevents the alarm from arming and stops all audible and visual activity whenever the vehicle is locked or unlocked. It does not affect the immobilization.
Alarm lights: This changes the method of visual output from the BECM used for the alarm activated / triggered.
Alarm noise: Different markets have different options of alarm sounding when the alarm is activated / triggered.
Arm/disarm: Changes the method of visual notification of alarm arming and disarming.
BECM Status: The BECM has an electronic lock that is designed to prevent access to some of its contents. All BECM's are locked in this way at the vehicle factory after they are programmed with the information specific to the vehicle they have been fitted in. However, replacement BECM's are supplied unlocked and all data can be readily accessed and changed up until the point when the unit is locked. This is currently an irreversible process so it is important to check the correctness of all information stored in the BECM before considering locking it. The status of the lock has no effect on any other operation of the BECM (i.e. it is perfectly acceptable to leave the status of the BECM unlocked for normal vehicle usage).
Cat amplifier / heater: For markets where catalyst amplifiers and heaters are used, mainly Japan.
Cruise: This indicates if cruise control is fitted or not.
Daylight running: Either headlamps or sidelights can be selected as the daytime running lights or the function can be disabled.
Drive: Denotes left hand drive (LHD) or right hand drive (RHD).
EKA: For the markets that do not use the Emergency Key Access (EKA) system.
EKA number: This is the Emergency Key Access (EKA) Number for this vehicle. Only available on unlocked BECM's (see BECM STATUS). Even if the EKA function is disabled (see PASSIVE EKA) and therefore not used, each BECM still has a number programmed into it. The number has to be 4 characters long, each character can be a number between 1 and 6, and the four numbers cannot be all the same.
EMS code: Only used on EDC and Motronic engine Management Systems (EMS). When the ignition is turned on, the BECM, providing it is in receipt of a valid mobilization code, from receiving an unlock signal from the correct key fob or having its EKA code entered, and is therefore not in an alarmed or immobilised state, sends a coded signal to the Engine Management System (EMS) ECU and in turn, the EMS ECU then compares against a code it already has stored in it. If the two codes compare OK, the EMS ECU allows the engine to start. This forms the basis of the immobiliser. If the EMS ECU or the BECM is replaced, the two codes will not match and it will not be possible to start the engine. It is therefore necessary to synchronise the codes in both the BECM and the EMS ECU. For EDC, a function can be found in the EDC section which gives the fixed code from the EDC ECU which must be entered here. For Motronic, any number can be used here as the Motronic ECU has a learn function located in the OTHER section which can be used to force it to learn this code.
Engine: Select between the later Motronic Petrol engine management which is fitted after 1999 and can be distinguished by the overlapping sausage effect of the intake plenum on the top of the engine. GEMS petrol engine management fitted before 1999 which can be distinguished by the flat topped intake plenum with the engine capacity shown on the top of the engine or the Diesel EDC engine management.
FOB code: For security this information is only available to be read or programmed on unlocked BECM's (see BECM STATUS). The fob code is a 3-part code, which uniquely identifies the family of key fobs (key 1, key 2, etc.) that go with this vehicle. Any key Fob, when pressed, transmits its unique electronic ID code (FOB CODE) in an encrypted format. The BECM of any vehicle within range of that key fob decrypts the received transmission and compares the FOB CODE that was received, against the FOB CODE that is stored here. If the two match, it will accept the key as valid and perform the relevant task (lock, unlock, send mobilize signal to engine ECU, etc). This FOB CODE is derived from converting the manufacturer's Lockset Bar code. This is a 14 digit alphanumeric number, which is printed on a label that accompanies every new key fob or lockset. When the vehicle was assembled at the factory and was first fitted with its new lock set, the Lockset Bar code was recorded along with the vehicles VIN number; this can be obtained from your local dealership by quoting the Vehicle's VIN number. If the Lockset Bar code given by the dealer is no longer correct for the vehicle (due to an earlier replacement of the lockset and where the kept records were not updated), there is then no alternative but to replace the lockset and use the Lockset bar code that comes with it. When you have the Lockset Bar code, do not attempt to enter this directly, but give this to the help desk who will then convert the Lockset Bar code into a the 3-part FOB CODE. This FOB CODE is then entered here. The FOB CODE can only be obtained by this method.
Fog lights: This denotes whether front fog lights are fitted to the vehicle or not.
Gearbox: This denotes whether the gearbox is manual or automatic.
Immobiliser: Turns on the passive (self) immobilize function in markets which use it.
Key warning: When enabled, the warning gong will sound continuously whilst the keys are in the ignition and the ignition is turned off.
Lazy locking: Changes the situations in which lazy locking is allowed.
Language: This defines the language used by the vehicle to signal messages in its information display. The last option refers to a translation book allowing any other language to be added in look up form.
Market: This is the flag that the BECM uses to see if it is used / configured. When a BECM is brand new it is not set and the display on the instrument pack will only show the message "Market not set". To stop this happening this value must be changed to set.
Mislock: Changes the method of notification of error on alarm arming between using the interior light or the alarm sounder.
Moisture detect: This enables the moisture detected warning facility.
Range lamp: This is used to enable or disable the hi or low range selector back lamp function.
Service light: In certain markets, legislation requires there to be a reminder light to service the engine after a certain distance has been travelled. Adding this feature also requires the bulb to be fitted to the service reminder position in the instrument pack. This will then illuminate (other than in bulb test) when the vehicle travels over 50,000 miles or 80,500 km from whenever the function was enabled.
Sounder: Different markets have different options of alarm sounders fitted that require different outputs from the BECM to operate. This allows correct selection.
Speed limit: This function changes the maximum limit between 100 or 120 at which the over speed warning function built in to the trip computer may be set.
Sunroof: This denotes whether an electric sunroof is fitted to the vehicle or not.
UK police: This selection allows the BECM to be configured to police specification. Setting this without the required rewiring of the vehicle and the addition of switches, may have undesirable effects.
Trip computer: This denotes whether a trip computer is installed in the vehicle or not.
VIN: The last six digits of the Vehicle Identification Number (VIN) that is unique to each vehicle. The designation for the remainder of the VIN is detailed in the relevant manual.
Window cancel: Some markets allow operation of the windows and sunroof for a period of time after the ignition is turned off and the door is opened; some have immediate cancellation of operation when the ignition is turned off and others have no cancellation at all. This allows the desired selection.
Wiper speed: These settings enables the windscreen wiper speed functions.
1 touch: This specifies which windows have one touch functionality.
BECM current alarmed status: This enables to set the BECM to alarmed or not alarmed status. Unknown will be displayed if the value stored in the BECM is not a valid value. You cannot set the status to unknown.
Current EKA lockout status: This enables to set the BECM to EKA lockout or normal status. Unknown will be displayed if the value stored in the BECM is not a valid value. You cannot set the status to unknown.
CODING DATA
Coding Data 1-40: 40 blocks of programmable data stored in the ECU to control its functionality for specific variations of vehicle. There are a number of hexadecimal digits, each digit separated by a comma. Re-entered parameters should be entered in an identical format to that which is read. Changing this values can produce unknown alteration in the functionality of the ECU, damage the ECU or even damage your car.

Por aquí no puedo explicar como se hace, pero se puede hacer que tu coche funcione correctamente sin necesidad de comprar ninguna llave, ni arreglar los mandos ( sin quitar el inmo de la unidad de motor ).

Eso sí, no tendrás mando a distancia.

Me uno a la necesidad de tener una segunda llave.

Si consigo un mando de otro P38, ¿lo podría vincular a mi coche?

Por otro lado pediría una llave por EBay y troquelaría el espadín.

¿Es viable esta opción?

¿Hay que anular algo del inhibidor, alarma, etc..?

Saludos
Juan Luis

Tombuctu

Por aquí no puedo explicar como se hace, pero se puede hacer que tu coche funcione correctamente sin necesidad de comprar ninguna llave, ni arreglar los mandos ( sin quitar el inmo de la unidad de motor ).

Eso sí, no tendrás mando a distancia.

Muchas gracias por la ayuda. Te he mandado un mensaje.

Tombuctu

Por aquí no puedo explicar como se hace, pero se puede hacer que tu coche funcione correctamente sin necesidad de comprar ninguna llave, ni arreglar los mandos ( sin quitar el inmo de la unidad de motor ).

Eso sí, no tendrás mando a distancia.

Muchas gracias por la ayuda. Te he mandado un mensaje.

Ya te he respondido

Me uno a la necesidad de tener una segunda llave.

Si consigo un mando de otro P38, ¿lo podría vincular a mi coche? Por OBD, no

Por otro lado pediría una llave por EBay y troquelaría el espadín.

¿Es viable esta opción?

¿Hay que anular algo del inhibidor, alarma, etc..? No

Saludos
Juan Luis

Sale más cuenta, comprar una llave en el concesionario. Para yo poder hacerlo, hay que desmontar el asiento del copiloto y sacar la BECM al completo.
Yo tengo está utilidad, principalmente para poder clonar BECM y poder traspasar todos los datos de la rota a la de desguace.

Es una suerte poder contar con tu experiencia TOMBUCTU 4x4.

Julius Bcn

Entonces si solo tengo un mando/llave, lo mejor es ir al concesionario y comprar otro. ¿Verdad?

Entiendo que si por OBD no deja hacerlo, no hay otra manera de convertir un mando de otro P38 en el mando de mi coche?

Ya he pedido la cascara con el espadín por Amazon, si la copio en una ferretería, ¿podre abrir el coche y arrancarlo? Me da igual lo del mando para tenerlo de repuesto, pero lo que no quiero es perder el mando que tengo ahora y no tener copia de nada....

Saludos
Juan Luis